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June 5th, 2010


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brandy_took
03:28 pm
I was thinking it would be neat to have some sort of weekly monthly sporadic discussion on this comm, so, uh, I come bearing a discussion question.

Do you think the original Sam Bell--the one living on earth, knew that he'd been cloned and his clones were manning the base on the moon? Do you think he ever even completed a three year contract on the moon? There were some great yuletide fics written about this, and I was wondering if anyone of you had any thoughts.

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From:omorka
Date:June 5th, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
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If I'm remembering correctly, the Sam we see at the beginning of the film is Sam-5, and it's the end of his three-year term. The Eve we see when he finally calls home is a teenager. If Sam Prime didn't serve a three-year term, then she should only be 12 or 13, right?

I think it makes sense for the original to have served his term and then gone home, such that the messages from his wife are real and just played back for every subsequent Sam, rather than her having had to act for those. I don't think he knew that he'd be replaced by a clone of himself. I suspect the cell harvesting for the clones was done as part of "routine medical testing" during his training, and the clonequarium installed before he ever got there.

If he does know about the clones, he found out after they braintaped him - I can't imagine there'd be a way they could erase that after they took the memory recordings; they don't seem to be selective - and, given that the clones react very, very badly to the whole thing, I doubt he'd take it well, either.
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From:brandy_took
Date:June 5th, 2010 08:44 pm (UTC)
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Ah, math, my old nemesis. I'm glad you've figured that out though. It did make sense to me that the original Sam would have been up there at some point.

His being upset about the idea does seem to be the main argument against him knowing, however I could buy him taking a substantial amount of "hush" money, or something along those lines. I suppose I like the story better if he doesn't know though, I don't like to think of any of the Sams as unsympathetic characters.

Also, clonequarium is a fantastic word, I'm gonna have to see if I can slip it into casual conversation.
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From:omorka
Date:June 6th, 2010 07:16 am (UTC)
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Heh - I can't really take the credit for "clonequarium," since the Spouse has been calling a plot point in ?Neon Genesis Evangelion the "Reiquarium" for years; it just seemed natural. :-)

I wouldn't argue that a story that assumed Sam Prime knew and had been seriously paid off was out of character, but I wouldn't expect him to volunteer for it. I could accept it as an "oh, hey, when you signed that contract, you also signed up for . . . " also, where he knows and accepts it but doesn't like it.
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From:rampant_chaos8
Date:June 5th, 2010 08:39 pm (UTC)
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Totally with omorka on this. I don't think the original Sam Bell knew he'd been cloned, and after his three-year contract, he just went home and lived out his life, assuming that other people were taking his place. Which definitely brings up other interesting questions about the ethics (or lack thereof) of the whole operation.
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From:brandy_took
Date:June 5th, 2010 08:45 pm (UTC)
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It certainly does make Lunar Industries even more skeevy if that's the case, doesn't it?
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From:scarletumbrella
Date:June 5th, 2010 09:52 pm (UTC)
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I do think Sam served his term, because the messages from his wife were real.

But actually my assumption when I saw the film was that real!Sam knew about the cloning and allowed it. I can see someone with a scientific mind like his weighing the benefits and detriments and deciding it was worth it. He probably didn't even think about the consequences or consider the clones to be really human.

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